.Andrei Pivovarov was just one of the 16 captives without Russia in last week's significant captive exchange in between Moscow and the West.The noticeable adversary protestor, 42, was carried out a Warsaw-bound plane through Russian safety solutions in 2021 after the pro-democracy team Open Russia, which he headed, was actually disallowed as " unfavorable." He was actually sentenced to 4 years behind bars in 2022 for his deal with the group.The Moscow Moments talked to Pivovarov concerning the swap and also his plans for the future:.MT: How performed you think when you were being actually needed to the airport terminal? Performed you understand that it was a substitution?AP: By the opportunity our company got to the airport terminal, it was actually actually very clear that our experts were being actually needed to an exchange, but our company really did not understand where.I presume I entirely knew the quite truth of what was taking place when I was actually being actually derived from the colony on Saturday morning. It was the 25th [of July] I realized that one thing amazing was actually happening due to the fact that I was actually picked up due to the head of the colony and also he individually helped me lug my traits. Yet there were actually no specifics.You tend to suppose the worst in any type of confusing condition. I had all sorts of notions. However there was actually a second when I was sent-- I must sign for a dry supply. And I see a title on the previous line: Alexandra Skochilenko. And also I make sure that if Sasha and also I are actually together, it's barely a bad story.I assumed that it will feel like in the films-- an arena where we are actually pardoned due to the tsar as well as released before the RT video cameras. The second possibility was actually a model of the thinkers' plane, which unfortunately became extra real in life.However everything was concealed up until the actual conclusion. When our company were brought to Lefortovo [Jail, prior to the exchange], our experts were in seclusion and can certainly not call any person.On Thursday morning they brought our company a release certificate with no purchase variety, nothing at all. Our team possessed half an hour to pack, our team delivered our points.There were actually individuals in hides and outfits along with our company. If any one of our team withstood as well as rejected to become expelled, their activity was actually to place our team on the plane by any means. They clearly told us that subsequently.The 1st person I found on the bus was [Ilya] Yashin. It was actually absolutely pleasant to observe him. There knew and unknown faces afterwards, however directly, I was actually very concerned whether Volodya Kara-Murza would exist. He was just one of the final to become generated, which was a significant comfort, given that he possesses the longest paragraph.Do you know who pushed for your introduction in the checklist?Just how the lists were actually developed is a secret to me. I have not been able to consult with all my co-workers however. Coming from my understanding, there were actually different teams where details was compiled as well as the last list was actually considerably bigger than what you have viewed. As well as it was shortened by Russia. When all the wants were collected as well as interacted and kind of set, fewer folks were eventually discharged.You were actually meant to become launched in a month ...This is just one of one of the most challenging factors for me. If you consider my criminal claim, the period that I had left behind [to provide] may certainly not be contrasted to the regards to the others [political captives]I can claim that I have information from several sources that the chance of my release [at the end of my sentence] was actually certainly not assured. That is actually why I wound up on the list. Our experts've observed instances where people were actually imprisoned on their escape of the colony given that some new unlawful situations levelled. As well as regrettably, there were telephone calls that said that in my scenario, the outcome could certainly not be actually the best.What are your plannings now? Do you understand what you will carry out in the near future?I am actually right now a person without records as well as no feeling of home. I was issued a Russian internal ticket and also I possess pair of papers-- one changes my [foreign key] and also the second changes my visa. As it was described to me, these documents enable me to stay in Germany for 15 times-- particularly in Germany, certainly not in the EU. It's difficult to bring in serious strategies. So at first, certainly, I want to address the residential facets.And after that-- I have actually been performing social and also political help 15-20 years. My remain in jail did certainly not repel me from it, but however enthusiastic me even more. I have some suggestions, as I had time to believe and reflect [behind bars]And also the main objective right here, most likely, is actually to attempt to talk even more along with those who kept inside [Russia] To try to deliver a planning to deal with those that may not be our followers, but that are annoyed with what is actually taking place. If our company can give them [people in Russia] the opportunity to convey on their own without putting themselves at serious threat, I assume that's what an autonomous force ought to do.